Thunderball Clothing Closes Down Following Arch Enemy/Photographer Dispute, Angela Gossow & Photographer Comment

As previously reported, photographer J Salmeron got banned from Arch Enemy shows due to a copyright dispute involving a picture he took of Alissa White-Gluz at the FortaRock Festival. The frontwoman shared the photo on Instagram and it was reposted by Thunderball Clothing, the company that created her custom outfit. Salmeron took issue with this because he believed it was being used for commercial purposes and sent an email to Thunderball founder Marta Gabriel, who got both White-Gluz and manager/former singer Angela Gossow involved. Now, after previously apologizing, Gabriel has decided to close down her business following online harassment.

Gabriel said the following:

“STATEMENT 30/12/2018 – UPDATE / THE END OF THUNDERBALL CLOTHING
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As many of you seems to follow this story, here’s an update, and a final statement (you can see my previous statement and an apology from December 28 in my previous post).
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The photographer, J. Salmeron, accepted my apology for reposting the photo he took, without having his permission, and as this was his request, I made a donation to the charity organization of his choice (the Dutch Cancer Society). I believe we can say this ends the dispute between us.
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However, as I’m not able to handle the amount of hate and threats that I received and keep on receiving, I decided to do what I think is best in this situation. To end the being known as Thunderball Clothing (it’s hard to use a word “company” here, as since day one it was just one person – me). I apologise for not being strong enough, and for not being next Internet hero that keep on saying “haters gonna hate”.

Within last 2 days I received literally hundreds of comments and messages that I’m a whore, a nazi, a communist, a worthless cunt, and that I either should quickly die, or that I should kill myself. There is no anger in me, and I apologise everyone that felt hurt or upset by this situation. Anyway, there is no Thunderball Clothing anymore. You won.
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Marta Gabriel, Thunderball Clothing“

Gossow also commented:

“Dear whoever is interested in the subject,

I am reacting to the bully rally this photographer has set lose with his well crafted (he took 6 months to get it done and released), well timed mash up of different subjects at hand.

The details often get lost in the emotion of the narrative – and the narrative is often controlled by who presents the story first. Mr photographer threw a bunch of different things into one pot and highly emotionalized it. Lets differentiate:

1)

Copyright issue. Arch Enemy did not post any of his pictures, no breach of copyright there.
Alissa only re-tagged his image and got written permission of said photographer and actually got asked to re-post, after she fearfully removed the said photo. She refrained from doing so.
Conclusion: Zero involvement of the band or Alissa in any of the addressed matters. Leave Arch Enemy and Alissa out of it.

2)

Thunderball clothing / Marta: The lady re-posted the picture and said ‘thank you for wearing my custom made outfit’ along with it. Copyright breach, as this can be interpreted as commercial use. Not intentionally, because she wasn’t aware of that fine line – a lot of people on the internet are not actually.

Anything you re-post is a breach of copyright actually. She removed as well immediately. She did not react to the donation request because she was not sure if its scam. Donating to a cancer research fund is not going to buy her the rights to use the photo commercially. Only a paid invoice to said photographer would do. So why didn’t he just invoice the 500 EUR and went ahead and donated it to said charity? That would have been much more transparent in every aspect.

The internet hate campaign has destroyed Marta’s business – all existing customers have cancelled their orders and/or returned their orders. She has received numerous death threads, accusations of being a Nazi and worse. She has closed her shop she built up for 8 years over this. Is mistake really that severe to justify this? NO. Is it justified to destroy an artist over this? NO.

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Angela Gossow, management:

This is an unfortunate situation and a private business conversation that was never meant for public consumption (unethical and contrary to the code of conduct for European lawyers) was being abused for this campaign. I was doing my position in my efforts to aggressively represent and protect my client and her business partner. I’m sorry that this has been made public and the issues are now misconstrued. I am personally shocked by the fact a business dispute turned into such a destructive wave of hate.

The claim I had him blacklisted with all agents, festivals etc is false! I did inform my circle of people I do not want him in the Arch Enemy photo pit again. I did not ask any promoters, festivals, magazines or whoever to ban him. Mr. photographer, give me one person who has removed you from their payroll because of me. Nobody? Thank you.

Why I changed some words in my previous posts – I received a legal letter from said Mr. photographer asking me to, otherwise he would pursue me legally for my wordings. The same happened to Alissa and Jeremy Saffer, who took his entire post down. So those going out on the fence defending us are being silenced. Freedom of speech? No, I don’t think so. I am sure I will have to edit some of this post as well because I expect to receive a legal letter from him again within the next 24 hours. Just saying.

Oh, and I took away the word sheep because those people who damaged Marta beyond repair, who are threatening Alissa and me in very serious ways are not sheep – they are much worse. They are bullies.

We wish to move on from this and wish Mr Photographer the best with the career.

You are welcome to discuss on my facebook page – no comments disabled. I will not tolerate any threats concerning my person, my family and my friends. These will be pursued.

Thank you for your time to read this.

Angela Gossow”

Salmeron and Metal Blast also issued a statement:

“We are sorry to hear that Marta Gabriel has decided to shut down Thunderball Clothing – Marta Gabriel Fashion & Design as a result of the backlash that she received due to the actions that Arch Enemy took against us after we complained about an IP infringement. This was never our purpose, nor was she the person that we held responsible for what happened.

According to Marta, after we contacted her due to the unauthorized commercial use of our photo, she was told expressly by Arch Enemy to ignore this matter, since they themselves would handle it. Had she known that the way in which they would “handle” the situation would be to try to strong-arm us, we would like to believe that she would have acted differently.

In any case, it is sad to see that Marta, who apologized and made amends for this problem, has suffered this negative consequence, while the people who took concrete steps to harm our careers, to ban us from concerts, have yet to apologize or to accept any responsibility for their actions.

On the contrary, since this situation started, the way in which they have handled it has included, but has not been limited to, calling their fans “sheep” for believing our accurate reporting of the situation, accused us of spreading “alternative facts,” accused us of committing the crime of extortion, implied misogyny in our actions, and said that we had sent them “threats” (all the correspondence has been posted, and you can see the truth for yourself).

What Marta made was a mistake, a mistake that in no way justifies her losing her livelihood or seeing her life negatively impacted to this level. She deserves, like all the rest of us, the opportunity to move on from it and to continue her creative career.

Finally, while we sincerely appreciate the support that we have received from thousands of people from around the world, we categorically and absolutely reject any and all threats of any kind made against Marta, Alissa, Angela or, frankly, anybody else.

Nobody deserves to be terrorized, or to fear for their safety, because of things like these. We have received plenty of death threats from fans of the band in the last couple of days, and we have made sure to pass the information to the competent authorities, and we hope that they will do the same, and report every single threat that they received.

We sincerely hope that Thunderball Clothing – Marta Gabriel Fashion & Design will be able to continue, and that the people who, in the end, left this company and its owner out to dry, will actually take responsibility for the enormous damage that they have caused.

All the best,

J & the Metal Blast team”

[via The PRP]

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Thunderball Clothing Issue Apology Following Arch Enemy/Photographer Dispute

As previously reported, photographer J Salmeron ended up getting banned from Arch Enemy shows due to a copyright dispute involving a picture he took of Alissa White-Gluz at the FortaRock Festival. The frontwoman shared the photo on Instagram and it was reposted by Thunderball Clothing, the company that created her custom outfit. Salmeron took issue with this because he believed it was being used for commercial purposes and sent an email to Thunderball founder Marta Gabriel, who got both White-Gluz and manager/former singer Angela Gossow involved. Now, after all that, Gabriel has issued an official apology.

Gabriel said the following:

“THUNDERBALL CLOTHING – STATEMENT / APOLOGY

I would like to publicly apologise Mr J. Salmeron for reposting one of the photos he took, on my Instagram page, without having his permission. When few months ago I was reposting his photo from the Instagram page of the Arch Enemy singer Alissa White-Gluz, I was simply proud that such a great artist is wearing a clothing piece that I made, and wanted to share these news with my followers.

As I did the repost with an app that included all original credits and watermarks, I thought that it’s OK. I meant no harm, and it wasn’t my intention to promote any product, however, I do agree that it might looked like that, and I understand that the author of the photography could feel upset about it. And I am sorry about it.

After I received an email message from J. Salmeron, who introduced himself as a lawyer and author of the photography, I interpreted it as another spam or scam (well, all of us receive this kind of emails all the time). I saw the amount of 500 Euro and the name of Alissa White-Gluz, from whom I reposted mentioned photo, so without going deeper into that message, I did what I thought was most logic – I contacted her, forwarded the original message that I got, and asked her what to do.

I was instructed to take down the photo (what I immediatelly did), and was informed that someone else will take care of it. That again seemed logic, as I was aware that I’m not at the position of taking any actions on behalf of Arch Enemy, nor their members. I had no other contact with J. Salmeron, I haven’t heard from him since then, and to be honest, for the last 6 months I had no idea that something is wrong, especially as the photo was taken down.

That being said, I would like to apologise J. Salmeron once again. Not only I’m willing to discuss with him how to compenaste him and fix the situation, but also how to make sure similar situation won’t happen ever again. After all, we’re all playing in the same team, and we all have one thing in common. We love music.

Marta Gabriel, Thunderball Clothing“

Photographer Gets Banned From Arch Enemy Shows Following Copyright Dispute

Photographer J Salmeron has apparently been banned from Arch Enemy shows due to a copyright dispute involving a picture he took of Alissa White-Gluz at the FortaRock Festival. The frontwoman shared the photo on Instagram and it was reposted by Thunderball Clothing, the company that created her custom outfit. Salmeron took issue with this and that’s when things went south.

The photographer sent a message to Thunderball founder Marta Gabriel saying he usually charges €500 to businesses that use his work in an “unauthorized manner.” However, he added that he would forget about the whole thing if she donated €100 to the Dutch Cancer Foundation.

Gabriel then forwarded the email to the band, resulting in both White-Gluz and manager/former singer Angela Gossow getting involved. In the end, Salmeron was ultimately blacklisted. He has since shared a lengthy article regarding the situation, complete with his email exchanges, screenshots of Instagram messages, etc.

White-Gluz has also issued the following statement:

“In early June, I reposted a photo of myself on instagram from a concert photographer, which is common practise. The photo was already posted to Instagram by the photographer himself. I like doing this because it is a way to say thank you and tip my hat to photographers and usually there is a nice symbiotic relationship between bands and photographers this way.

If you follow my socials you know this is something we all enjoy. His watermark was visible, the photo was unaltered and he was tagged and credited in the caption, the way we always do it. The girl who made the outfit I am wearing in the photo, Marta, reposted my post shortly after that.

She didn’t print it, didn’t use it commercially, didn’t upload or copy it – she reposted it with a free Instagram application called “get_repost”, like many of you do. She was just happy to repost the news that I wear her creations (one of a kind clothing items we designed together, not a product that you can buy), and share it with her followers.

99% of the time, this is how this online world functions like a supportive community and everyone wins this way. Often, photographers send us folders of photos in hopes that we like them and we post those, always with their name and credit. We really felt we were doing just THAT.

The photographer of this particular photo was ALWAYS fully credited for the ENTIRE duration of his photo being on my Instagram and Marta’s. As soon as he expressed discontent the posts were immediately removed. There was never ANY attempt made by Thunderball or Arch Enemy to use that photo for commercial use, and certainly not without compensation.

To our understanding, since there was nothing being sold or advertised in the posts, it was not commercial, but we still took his concerns seriously and immediately took the photo down. To be clear, this is not a photographer Arch Enemy hired, this is one of the hundreds of photographers who are in the photo pit at festivals.

Once the photographer stated he wanted a fee for online use, we immediately (within minutes) agreed to remove the posts (which were online for a few days at most) so as to avoid any complications. If we were going to use a photo for any commercial application, we would pay them and there would be a contract ahead of time, like we always do and have done with hundreds of photographers.

Marta forwarded us an email from a lawyer saying she owed 500 euros, was in breach of copyright and the email included payment method information. Marta goes by the name Thunderball Clothing online and is a fellow musician, artist and one-woman clothing maker from Poland.

We tried to explain that this photo isn’t selling anything, it is showing off the custom outfit I am wearing, but the emails felt more and more coercive, so we simply removed the posts. There was no product for sale in the photo and no attempt to keep using the photo once the photographer stated his discontent.

I understand that there are laws in place that dictate when and how a photo can be used, although promotional online use is usually appreciated, especially when it provides exposure for all parties involved. But, the photographer was unhappy with the reposts so we removed them, plain and simple.

We didn’t want any trouble so we deleted the posts and thought that was the end of it since we had no contact since June. Normally, in my experience, people are happy to see the subject of their photo sharing their work and its a beautiful thing to be able to have one concert experience be a platform for musicians, lighting directors, clothing designers, photographers, sound engineers and fans alike all sharing in the art that is created.

All that happened here was I simply posted a photo of myself with full credit, watermark and tagging, then took it down when a lawyer contacted my friend who was among several pages that reposted it.

Lots of fan pages are run by teenagers in countries where there may be different laws or a language barrier, who might not understand, and I didn’t want them to end up with some lawyer’s letter in their inboxes, and I know they like to repost things I post, so I just took it down.

I’m not really sure why this non-issue has been twisted to scapegoat us 6 months after the fact, especially considering we simply did what he asked and the last interactions I had with him, personally, were pleasant.

We reserve the right, however, to decide who is allowed to photograph our shows and after having corresponded with him we didn’t want any more issues like this in the future, especially when passes are limited and we know so many photographers who love having the opportunity to get a photo pass and have fun with us at shows.

In conclusion, no one from Arch Enemy nor Thunderball ever denied paying the photographer in question for the commercial use of his photo: We simply did not use it.”

[via The PRP]

Arch Enemy Reveal Track Listing For “Covered In Blood” Covers Album

Arch Enemy have officially revealed the track listing for their new covers album “Covered In Blood,“ which is set to be released on January 18. That effort will feature various covers that the band have recorded throughout their career and it can be pre-ordered HERE.

“Covered In Blood” Track Listing:

01. “Shout” (Tears For Fears cover)
02. “Back To Back” (Pretty Maids cover)
03. “Shadow On The Wall” (Mike Oldfield cover)
04. “Breaking The Law” (Judas Priest cover)
05. “Nitrad” (Moderat Likvidation cover)
06. “When The Innocent Die” (Anti-Cimex cover)
07. “Warsystem” (Skitslickers cover)
08. “Armed Revolution” (Skitslickers cover)
09. “Spräckta Snutskallar” (Skitslickers cover)
10. “The Leader (Of The Fuckin’ Assholes)” (Skitslickers cover)
11. “City Baby Attacked By Rats” (G.B.H. cover)
12. “Warning” (Discharge cover)
13. “The Zoo” (Scorpions cover)
14. “Wings Of Tomorrow” (Europe cover)
15. “The Oath” (KISS cover)
16. “The Book Of Heavy Metal” (Dream Evil cover)
17. “Walk In The Shadows” (Queensrÿche cover)
18. “Incarnated Solvent Abuse” (Carcass cover)
19. “Kill With Power” (Manowar cover)
20. “Symphony Of Destruction” (Megadeth cover)
21. “Aces High” (Iron Maiden cover)
22. “Scream Of Anger” (Europe cover)
23. “Starbreaker” (Judas Priest cover)
24. “The Ides Of March” (Iron Maiden cover)

Arch Enemy Premiere “Reason To Believe” Music Video

Arch Enemy have premiered a new video for their song “Reason To Believe.” This track appears on the band’s latest album “Will To Power” and it was also released as a limited edition 7″ today (December 7). The vinyl features “Reason To Believe” on the a-side and a cover of Tears For Fears‘ “Shout” on the b-side.

Michael Amott said the following:

“Growing up, I guess I was what would be considered the “different kid”, the odd one out at school etc. I fled into my own shell and the music that I loved. Not having a lot friends and not being popular made me who I am today. My passion for music is really where I found my identity and also the strength to pull through those not always so easy times as a young teenager. Luckily, I was always obsessed with music, I had a lot of ideas for starting a band even before I hit puberty! When I finally saved up enough money to buy my first guitar at the age of thirteen I started creating my own songs immediately and started my first band soon thereafter. I haven’t stopped since. Music has been with me every step of the way through life and is still, to this day, my best friend and greatest passion. I’m sure a lot of people out there feel the same way. ‘Reason To Believe’ is a song that was born out of reminiscing about my own youth and also the stories from our fans around the world. This one’s for you… Always keep on fighting my friends!”

Alissa White-Gluz also commented:

“When it came time to record the vocals for “Reason to Believe” and Michael had presented me with the lyrics, I knew I would need to get in a special mindset to ensure the right emotions would pervade my voice. I thought about the blurry moments in which I had said those exact words to myself: “Stop hurting yourself”; “They hate what they don’t understand”; “Always keep on fighting”.

I also promptly remembered how futile this self-talk was and how I only really listened when someone ELSE would say it to me. So, I thought that perhaps this song could be that “someone else” – a best friend we could all secretly share and rely upon.

I thought about who I would say these words to and how I would want them to be heard; how I needed to express them in order to get through to someone who might be as accustomed to the glass prison as I used to be. I visualized sitting down next to a familiar. icy river, face to face with someone very close to me whom I have been trying to keep afloat for decades; someone whose pain and suffering matters as much to me as my own, if not more.

I thought of how my recurrent advice only had a momentary effect and how, once we’d parted ways, the cacophonic little voices screaming the opposite would ignite.

Music, however, transmutes words into thoughts and sentences into mantras. “If I could get people to sing along they would be subconsciously performing positive self-talk”, I thought. Songs we love get stuck in our heads so we need to consider what we fill them with.

I wanted this song to be the buoy that could keep our heads above water whilst also anchoring us to the Earth; to be a reliable landmark amongst tumultuous waves and to light the way through the darkest and loneliest obscurity.

Music has a way of speaking to us the way no one else can. It gives us an intimate moment of introspection that is also shared with millions, like a collective consciousness. I have seen the power of believing in one’s self and how quickly things crumble when we don’t.

I have read and heard so many stories from people all around the world describing how they’ve found their own reason to believe through Arch Enemy and that genuinely inspires me and keeps me going. The story is far from done, so please help us help others by sharing your experience; you might be that light in the dark more than you’ll ever know.

Crazy to think that 2018 is coming to a close. Let’s celebrate with some visuals set to Reason to Believe, available now as a single!”

In other news, the group will also release a new covers album titled “Covered In Blood” on January 18.

Arch Enemy Tease “Reason To Believe” Music Video

Arch Enemy have posted a teaser for their “Reason To Believe” music video, which is set to debut on December 7. The song appears on the band’s latest album “Will To Power” and it will also be available on 7″ vinyl the same day as the video premiere. That release will feature “Reason To Believe” on the a-side and a cover of Tears For Fears‘ “Shout” on the b-side. Furthermore, the group will also release a new covers album titled “Covered In Blood” on January 18.

Arch Enemy To Release “Covered In Blood” Covers Album & “Reason To Believe” 7″

Arch Enemy have announced that they will be releasing a new covers album titled “Covered In Blood” on January 18. The effort will be a compilation of various covers the band have released over the years. Prior to that release, the group will be releasing a “Reason To Believe” limited edition 7″ on December 7. It will come with the title track on the a-side and a cover of Tears For Fear‘s “Shout” on the b-side. Michael Amott said the following about that:

“‘Reason To Believe‘ is a song that was born out of reminiscing about my own youth and also the stories from our fans around the world. This one’s for you. Always keep on fighting, my friends!”