Phil Anselmo On Infamous Dimebash Incident: “I Owned That Moment”

Phil Anselmo (Pantera, etc.) was previously interviewed by Decibel about his infamous “white power” chant and Nazi salute at Dimebash, but now he has talked about it further in a recent interview with The Classic Metal Show. You listen to the chat and see what he had to say below:

“I would say to any critic out there that has terrible things to say about me, look, I owned that moment—I owned the moment. And it was a dumb, dumb move on my part, because I’ve dealt with hecklers before. Basically, I was showing the ugly, I was playing a part; it was an ugly gesture. And I’ve said this before: look, if that joke is not funny anymore and it’s worn its welcome out, then so be it. I can grow as well.

And look, if I truly, truly upset anyone with that gesture and those two words, then you know, my apology is sincere. But then there’s the flipside where I get the feeling that if you look through a certain lens long enough and you’re desperately trying to spot something, you’re gonna eventually find it, no matter what is; no matter how vague it may be, you’re gonna find something. Me? I was blatant. I was blatant and doing what I did on purpose, but with a sense of humor behind it.

And anyone with a logical mind knows—knows for a damn fact—that my love extends to every person in this crazy world of all colors, creeds, kinds, shapes, sizes, sexual preference… you name it, I’m for you , baby; I’m on your side… I just think that sometimes these certain people that do look through these lenses, perhaps—and maybe this is just speculation, but perhaps—like they used to say on the schoolyard, ‘It takes one to know one,’ or maybe the fact that you’re looking through this lens is kind of showing who you are as well. Enough of this you know? Enough of that. I own it, I apologized, my apology was sincere, you can look it up.”

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Phil Anselmo Discusses Infamous Dimebash Incident In Latest Issue Of Decibel

Phil Anselmo (Pantera, etc.) has given his first official interview since his infamous “white power” chant and Nazi salute at Dimebash. You can read what he had to say in the latest issue of Decibel below.

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“First and foremost, I do take full accountability. I’m not deflecting at all. What I did was insulting, absolutely, and abhorrent, because it did truly upset people, and it hurts my heart that anyone would think that I’m the dreaded ‘R’ word — a racist. Anyone who truly knows me knows that it’s utterly ridiculous. But if I did offend my Jewish friends, people I work with, my associates, other people in bands . .. if I were to upset people in that particular way — that’s why I apologized. That apology is there — and no, you won’t get another one ever again.”

Anselmo then added:

“It’s kinda funny, considering I’ve got a Mexican drummer [Jose “Blue” Gonzalez] and a half-black guitar player. [Kevin Bond]”

He continued:

“First and foremost, I was absolutely smashed drunk,” he said. “No excuse, but I was. It was late and my mood was mixed because of the situation in general. We were honoring my dead, murdered guitar player and it’s still something that a piece of me has not come to grips with. I know people are reading this in black and white, but it makes my heart ache as I say it. Now, [from] the second I stepped on that stage until the bitter end of that night, there were a couple of kids with an absolute agenda constantly, all night long, calling me the dreaded ‘R’ word. ‘Racist, racist, racist,’ over and over and over-in between songs, during songs, during my stage banter. And I marked it: At 4:35 in the video, you can see my attention slowly beginning to get irked and agitated. By 5:10, you can see me actually eyeballing these people and engaging. They were 70 feet away from me screaming this shit. I even invited them up onstage and dared them to call me that to my fuckin’ face, and I said I would knock them out cold. You can check the video for yourself. Can you hear the kids? No, you can’t. But I most certainly did. And I’ve talked with people who were there who can corroborate because they were standing right next to them.”

He also added:

“Should I have done it? Hell fucking no. Would I take it back? Absolutely. But my sense of humor is dark and my temper is and always has been volatile, so I reacted. I reacted in an ignorant way. I own it. But do I believe in it? That’s ridiculous.”

Anselmo said the whole incident started as a joke about white wine, which apparently started after he kissed Doug Pinnick (KING’S X). Anselmo said the following about that:

“The white wine thing was a running joke backstage after — get this — kissing Doug Pinnick [of KING’S X] on the lips, and he says to me, ‘Whoa — you taste good!’ Because I was drinking a bottle of white wine. I even joked about it with him — ‘white power,’ hahaha. The funny thing about that is that particular room was for certain artists only. Other certain people who were part of the Dimebash were not allowed back there. I guess they felt slighted or in quotation marks — ‘offended.’ So, there was a running gag there, and it carried on even after the incident. What went down onstage was an extension of that, but also a firm reaction to these motherfuckers [up front], who, that’s exactly what they wanted.”

To read the whole interview, head to Decibel.

Jimmy Bower (Superjoint, Down) On Phil Anselmo’s Dimebash Incident: “He Did Something Wrong And He Apologized For It”

Phil Anselmo‘s Superjoint and Down bandmate Jimmy Bower was recently interviewed by Clrvynt.com, and was asked about Anselmo‘s nazi salute and white power chant at Dimebash. Anselmo faced tons of backlash for the incident, and you can see Bower’s thoughts on it below.

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Bower said the following:

“When it happened, knowing Phil and our extremely dark sense of humor, I blew it off as him being stupid. Then Robb Flynn put the video up saying how his feelings were hurt, and the people things were starting to say made me understand that what he said was not cool and not funny, even in a joking sense, and it did hurt people’s feelings. It was really weird because it honestly wasn’t a big deal to me, just because I know how Phil is.

Dude, we joke about stupid shit. The bullshit that we come up with and talk about among friends … I guess the lesson learned is that you can’t do that around other people. I mean, we were friends with [Anal Cunt’s] Seth Putnam. He was a freak, dude, as far as his sense of humor. He liked to fuck with people. But behind the scenes he was the biggest sweetheart who would give you the shirt off his back. So, I just wish people could take things with a grain of salt nowadays instead of everyone being so serious.”

He also added:

“People hit Phil pretty hard over it, but knowing him as he really is, part of me thought it was unfair. Part of me wanted to try to explain to people that Phil’s not like this. You can’t be racist if you’re from New Orleans. There’s so many different cultures here; you just can’t do it. And you’re raised to understand that. I think [the Dimebash incident] was getting linked to other times in his life, when he was younger, and it was just really unfortunate. I think he did the right thing by apologizing sincerely.”

He also commented when asked if Down faced backlash when they returned to the stage:

“Not at all. Like I said, Phil did something wrong and he apologized for it, but he got dragged through the wringer a lot more than your average person would’ve. That being said, people still love Phil for his talents. It’s just really weird, dude. Back to that humor thing — you can’t write anything sarcastic on social media without getting attacked. Either the world is really changing or we’re getting really old. To me, we’re just a bunch old dudes sitting around making stupid jokes. It kinda comes with old age, like gray hair.”

Head to Clrvynt.com to read the full interview.

Pepper Keenan Says Down Are “Far From Done”

In a recent interview with Metal Wani, Pepper Keenan was asked about Down’s future. Despite their various cancelled shows, following Phil Anselmo’s racist outburst at Dimebash, Keenan still seems to think there is a future for the band.

Here’s what he said:

“Well, I don’t why there wouldn’t be. You know, Down didn’t do anything wrong. I mean, we were just guilty by association on that one. That was Phil‘s mistake. I’ve spoken to Phil and told him to get his shit together, and he is. He knows he made a mistake and was being stupid. I’ve known the guy [most of my life]. He’s not what that whole thing framed him to be at all. But, yeah, there’s definitely a future for Down. I wouldn’t throw all the shit we’ve done, beautiful music we’ve done on one stupid moment that was caught on camera, and he apologized for. [So we are] far from done.”

Hellfest Loses Government Funding After Refusing To Remove Down From The Lineup

Hellfest will be losing a €20,000 grant, due to their refusal to remove Down from their lineup. According to Huffington Post France, French senator and President of the General Council of the Vendée, Bruno Retailleau wanted the band removed, due to Phil Anselmos’ recent “white power” salute, which the government sees as a promotion for hate speech.

Festival promoter Ben Barbaud issued the following statement (translated by Metal Injection):

“Bruno Retailleau wanted to please his electorate and anti-Hellfest who relayed this buzz, which had already toured the metal sites. He expected it, like Laurence Garnier [Chairman of the Committee on culture in the region]. They found a perfect excuse to blow the grant.”

He also added:

“Anselmo apologized repeatedly. He even offered to leave the band to do no harm to his comrades, who must also be disgusted with what happens. Everyone agrees that this is unacceptable and that the metal scene is neither racist nor anti-Semitic. I know Phil Anselmo very well, who came many times to Clisson. And I am convinced that his apologies are sincere. Hellfest, we never had this kind of behavior, no one has ever seen or wear distinctive sign or speech, both live and in houses. I deeply believe that he is a good person. He is a provocateur who plays the big guys and loses foot when he’s drunk. He made a huge mistake. But people who make populist shortcuts and say horrors when they have three grams of alcohol, one can find many, including Vendee.”

Down could potentially cancel the show themselves, but it is unknown if they will at this time. So far the band have been stopped from performing at Fortarock, and at their New Orleans, LA show.

Down’s New Orleans Show Gets Cancelled/Pepper Keenan Comments On Phil Anselmo’s “White Power” Salute

Phil Anselmo’s recent racist outburst is still resulting in more consequences. Anselmo even issued another apology, and said Down should just move on without him at this point. So far, Down have been removed from Fortarock, and are now unable to play their February 8 show at the Civic Theatre, in New Orleans, LA as well.

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The Civic Theatre issued the folliwing statement:

“After recent actions by Phil Anselmo during the Dimebash event this past week, we have cancelled Down’s performance at the Civic. We do not tolerate intolerant behavior, and there is no room for that in our venue or our city. Refunds are available at point of purchase. In addition to offering full refunds for all ticket purchases, the Civic has made a donation to the Jewish Federation of New Orleans, pledging our support for a united community.”

“Me only have one ambition, y’know. I only have one thing I really like to see happen. I like to see mankind live together – black, white, Chinese, everyone – that’s all.”

On another note, Anselmo’s Down bandmate, and Corrosion Of Conformity guitarist Pepper Keenan has now offered his perspective on the whole situation:

“Any one who knows me is aware that I am not one to dabble much in social media, however due to what transpired last week at Dimebash I feel the need to respond and reach out to friends, family, music peers and fans worldwide.

I am saddened and confused by the behavior of Philip Anselmo last week. I do not condone what was gestured and said. This lapse in judgment of “making a joke” was in terribly poor taste and unacceptable.

That philosophy is the opposite of what I am about. My heart follows love and soul and my music has been inspired from people of all walks of life and musical styles. I view music as a gift that is universal and intended for all of humanity. As a proud New Orleanian, life is about celebrating diversity through music, it’s about bringing people together, not tearing apart.

I won’t speak for Phil but I’ve known him most of my life and I know there is not hate in his heart, however I hope at this moment in time Phil will focus his energy on self-reflection and begin the process of regaining perspective, healing himself and those lives he has touched through music

Through Down, Philip and I have written many beautiful and powerful songs in the past that have touched and inspired people from all walks of life positively and have helped pull many out of their own darkest hours. This is not something I take for granted and should always be at the forefront of one’s conscience to keep you grounded, humbled and grateful.

One of the responsibilities and joys, in my opinion, of being an artist or musician is having the ability to help make the world a better place.

I accept Phil’s apology, and I believe he can.

I’ll be there…if needed.

Love and Respect,

Pepper Keenan“

Phil Anselmo Issues New Apology/Suggests Down Move On Without Him

Phil Anselmo has issued another apology for his “white power” salute at Dimebash. Down recently got removed from the FortaRock festival for his actions, and he has now suggested that the band go on without him.

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Here’s his full statement:

“To all this will concern,

Every citizen in this entire world has the unalienable right to live with dignity and respect without hate or oppression. And I mean this, with all of my crushed, yet, guilty heart.

It’s common knowledge that we can choose to either learn from our mistakes, or continue on a path of insensitivity and destruction.

I am utterly responsible for the mistakes I have made, and can only give you my word to no longer do them in the present, through ACTION, not just mere words.

My band mates are now experiencing the consequences of my behavior, and I now publicly apologize to them as well. Never in my entire lifetime would I drag them down with me, and I’ve privately suggested to them that they move on without me.

My biggest obstacle(s) are the over-indulging in the booze and blurting out spiteful, ignorant reductions of the human spirit itself. I will address these issues, head-on.

I’m repulsed by my own actions, and the self-loathing I’m going through right now is justified by the hurt I’ve caused.

I realize we live in a society where apologies are NOT accepted easily, yet long for a day when they can be, but I also understand if I’m shunned till I hit the dirt.

From the bottom of my heart, and with all sincerity, I once again am truly sorry for the pain I have caused.

With truth, love, hope & respect-
Philip H. Anselmo“